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canopus

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Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
Buffalo, Michigan.
It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
part and not the Hotel.
It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
no name given.
They have a poker room with about nine tables that is run automatically,
no dealer. Almost like internet poker but here you can see your
opponents. Each has a screen. You can see your cards only when you cover
them with your had. There are practice tables to learn how to use the
screen.
The poker room is called WPT room. They will be running satellites to
WPT final.

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"brewmaster"

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Aug 5, 2007, 3:17 PM

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On Aug 5 2007 11:52 AM, canopus wrote:

> Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
> Buffalo, Michigan.
> It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
> part and not the Hotel.
> It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
> no name given.

I know for a FACT that both Hollywood Park and Hustler Casino in L.A. have
automatic tables. I'm sure plenty of others do too.

> They have a poker room with about nine tables that is run automatically,
> no dealer. Almost like internet poker but here you can see your
> opponents. Each has a screen. You can see your cards only when you cover
> them with your had. There are practice tables to learn how to use the
> screen.
> The poker room is called WPT room. They will be running satellites to
> WPT final.
>
> --
> Fuzzy Math in World Series of Poker Statistics:
> http://www.LiveActionPoker.com
>
> read and reply to rec.gambling.poker:
> http://www.LiveActionPoker.com


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"Irish Mike"

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"We have met the enemy and they is us"
Pogo.

Irish Mike


"canopus" <nomail> wrote in message
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> Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
> Buffalo, Michigan.
> It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
> part and not the Hotel.
> It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
> no name given.
> They have a poker room with about nine tables that is run automatically,
> no dealer. Almost like internet poker but here you can see your
> opponents. Each has a screen. You can see your cards only when you cover
> them with your had. There are practice tables to learn how to use the
> screen.
> The poker room is called WPT room. They will be running satellites to
> WPT final.
>
> --
> Fuzzy Math in World Series of Poker Statistics:
> http://www.LiveActionPoker.com
>
> read and reply to rec.gambling.poker:
> http://www.LiveActionPoker.com
>
>
>




Chris in Texas

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Aug 5, 2007, 3:52 PM

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On Aug 5 2007 2:17 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> On Aug 5 2007 11:52 AM, canopus wrote:
>
> > Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
> > Buffalo, Michigan.
> > It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
> > part and not the Hotel.
> > It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
> > no name given.
>
> I know for a FACT that both Hollywood Park and Hustler Casino in L.A. have
> automatic tables. I'm sure plenty of others do too.
>

JBK has said one of the Detroit area cardrooms (Greektown?) has 1 dealer-less
table, but it's pretty much shunned by the players unless the room is packed. 
Even if you get more hands per hour I'd rather go old-school if I'm gonna make
the trip to a cardroom to play. 

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MrKing.net

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Aug 5, 2007, 4:41 PM

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They can keep them. I will not waste a penny on these things. I play against
enough RANDOM NUMBER GENERATORS on my PC, Playing online.



On Aug 5 2007 1:52 PM, canopus wrote:

> Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
> Buffalo, Michigan.
> It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
> part and not the Hotel.
> It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
> no name given.
> They have a poker room with about nine tables that is run automatically,
> no dealer. Almost like internet poker but here you can see your
> opponents. Each has a screen. You can see your cards only when you cover
> them with your had. There are practice tables to learn how to use the
> screen.
> The poker room is called WPT room. They will be running satellites to
> WPT final.
>
> --
> Fuzzy Math in World Series of Poker Statistics:
> http://www.liveactionpoker.com/
>
> read and reply to rec.gambling.poker:
> http://www.liveactionpoker.com/



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ruylopez

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Aug 5, 2007, 4:51 PM

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On Aug 5 2007 3:52 PM, Chris in Texas wrote:

> JBK has said one of the Detroit area cardrooms (Greektown?) has 1 dealer-less
> table, but it's pretty much shunned by the players unless the room is packed. 
> Even if you get more hands per hour I'd rather go old-school if I'm gonna make
> the trip to a cardroom to play. 
>
> Chris

Yes they have several of these at Greektown, I hope they didn't spend much on
them because they are always empty unless MAYBE on Friday night the drunks are
impatient and play on them while waiting for a real table.  You have to get a
card to play and put money into it ATM style - honestly I've never seen how it
works in action.  It seems to be hated by all.



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"Irish Mike"

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Aug 5, 2007, 4:55 PM

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"I'd rather go old-school if I'm gonna make the trip to a cardroom to play.
"

So "old school" in a B&M poker room means having a live dealer? How about
live poker vs. a glorified video game.

Irish Mike

"Chris in Texas" <43074073@recpoker.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> On Aug 5 2007 2:17 PM, brewmaster wrote:
>
>> On Aug 5 2007 11:52 AM, canopus wrote:
>>
>> > Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
>> > Buffalo, Michigan.
>> > It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
>> > part and not the Hotel.
>> > It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
>> > no name given.
>>
>> I know for a FACT that both Hollywood Park and Hustler Casino in L.A.
>> have
>> automatic tables. I'm sure plenty of others do too.
>>
>
> JBK has said one of the Detroit area cardrooms (Greektown?) has 1
> dealer-less
> table, but it's pretty much shunned by the players unless the room is
> packed.
> Even if you get more hands per hour I'd rather go old-school if I'm gonna
> make
> the trip to a cardroom to play.
>
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Porsche_Dan

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Aug 5, 2007, 6:59 PM

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What is the rake compared to the live tables?

On Aug 5 2007 10:52 AM, canopus wrote:

> Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
> Buffalo, Michigan.
> It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
> part and not the Hotel.
> It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
> no name given.
> They have a poker room with about nine tables that is run automatically,
> no dealer. Almost like internet poker but here you can see your
> opponents. Each has a screen. You can see your cards only when you cover
> them with your had. There are practice tables to learn how to use the
> screen.
> The poker room is called WPT room. They will be running satellites to
> WPT final.
>
> --
> Fuzzy Math in World Series of Poker Statistics:
> http://www.LiveActionPoker.com
>
> read and reply to rec.gambling.poker:
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Deeber

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Aug 6, 2007, 12:23 AM

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These things BLOW.  I played one on a cruise ship, PokerTek table, it was god
awful.  $6 rake too at 3/6 Limit.  I saw 2 royal flushes and 3 quads in 2 days. 
Very bad RNG, horrible touch screen, just awful all around.  People were trying
to bet and the touch screen wasn't reading right and it made them check.  Just
awful.

On Aug 5 2007 6:59 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:

>
> What is the rake compared to the live tables?
>
> On Aug 5 2007 10:52 AM, canopus wrote:
>
> > Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
> > Buffalo, Michigan.
> > It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
> > part and not the Hotel.
> > It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
> > no name given.
> > They have a poker room with about nine tables that is run automatically,
> > no dealer. Almost like internet poker but here you can see your
> > opponents. Each has a screen. You can see your cards only when you cover
> > them with your had. There are practice tables to learn how to use the
> > screen.
> > The poker room is called WPT room. They will be running satellites to
> > WPT final.
> >
> > --
> > Fuzzy Math in World Series of Poker Statistics:
> > http://www.liveactionpoker.com/
> >
> > read and reply to rec.gambling.poker:
> > http://www.liveactionpoker.com/
>
>



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Chris in Texas

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On Aug 5 2007 3:55 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "I'd rather go old-school if I'm gonna make the trip to a cardroom to play.
> "
>
> So "old school" in a B&M poker room means having a live dealer? How about
> live poker vs. a glorified video game.

Anyone who knows me knows that i use "old school" as a synonym for traditional
in a complimentary way, not as an insult LOL. 

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"brewmaster"

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Aug 6, 2007, 12:48 PM

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On Aug 6 2007 8:56 AM, Gary Philips wrote:

> Chris in Texas wrote:
>
> > Anyone who knows me knows that i use "old school" as a synonym for
traditional
> > in a complimentary way, not as an insult LOL.
>
> Anyone who uses "old school" as a compliment, is old school.
>
> Gary (yeah I'm old school) Philips

I thought "old school" meant "last year's shitty rap that was shittier
than this year's shitty rap"

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Gary Philips

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Chris in Texas wrote:

> Anyone who knows me knows that i use "old school" as a synonym for traditional
> in a complimentary way, not as an insult LOL.

Anyone who uses "old school" as a compliment, is old school.

Gary (yeah I'm old school) Philips



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Gary Philips wrote:

> Chris in Texas wrote:
>
> > Anyone who knows me knows that i use "old school" as a synonym for
> > traditional
> > in a complimentary way, not as an insult LOL.
>
> Anyone who uses "old school" as a compliment, is old school.
>
> Gary (yeah I'm old school) Philips

And I always refer to 'old school' as the deck passing to each player, who then
deals (and often different games).  :)
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On Aug 5, 1:51 pm, ruylopez <43087...@recpoker.com> wrote:
> On Aug 5 2007 3:52 PM, Chris in Texas wrote:
>
> > JBK has said one of the Detroit area cardrooms (Greektown?) has 1 dealer-less
> > table, but it's pretty much shunned by the players unless the room is packed.
> > Even if you get more hands per hour I'd rather go old-school if I'm gonna make
> > the trip to a cardroom to play.
>
> > Chris
>
> Yes they have several of these at Greektown, I hope they didn't spend much on
> them because they are always empty unless MAYBE on Friday night the drunks are
> impatient and play on them while waiting for a real table. You have to get a
> card to play and put money into it ATM style - honestly I've never seen how it
> works in action. It seems to be hated by all.
>
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Since all the comments are negative allow me to post some things
positive about the PTEK poker tables.

Poker has gone through an ongoing evolution. It used to be that draw
and lowball were the only games offered at many card casinos. Now
there are many different games spread, and I don't think we will ever
go back.

Poker used to be dealt by players. Dealers were introduced to speed
up the game. The dealer also reduced mistakes and the opportunities
for cheating.

The dealerless tables provide the ability to further the evolution of
poker. More games can be spread because the tables take up less room;
one less seat and room for chips is eliminated.

Now heads up games can be played with less regard for cost. The wages
paid to a dealer was the limiting factor for this type of game. Also
the reduced cost can also allow the spread of lower limit games.

Cheating is also reduced. Card marking and card switching are
eliminated. Some may say that with modern security systems that these
forms of cheating is impossible, but I must point out that many small
card rooms lack these very expensive safeguards. Even the most
sophisticated systems have blind spots that cheater take advantage.
Anyone remember the Commerce's terrace? Additionally dealers have been
known to aid in cheating.

The dealerless table will also allow player to learn on a much
steeper learning curve. Many more hands per hour equals many more
learning opportunities per hour. The increased speed of the action
also reduces the boredom factor. I find that I have a problem throwing
away a marginal hand knowing I won't see another hand for many
minutes. If I opt to discard ten hands in a row, I have not played for
an hour or so. My mind wanders and I am no longer in a poker frame of
mind.

Slot machines are computer generated. Long gone are mechanical
wheels. Yet, has the play of slots decreased? Of course not. The
advent of computer generated poker is the next logical advancement.

Many of the naysayers of the dealerless tables are themselves
dealers. They are panicking over their future lost of their lucrative
jobs. But I say there are many more players than dealers and the
elimination of tipping means more money in the players pocket.
Besides, why should someone who deals cards make $50K or more
annually? Not that I am against someone making a living wage, but
their job is redundant, nonproductive and passe. What other job has
not changed in hundreds of years? When someone says it will never
catch on, I hear, " I'll never ride in one of those horseless
carriages, if man was meant to fly he would have been born with wings,
I'll never get rid of my slide rule."

I have not been to a casino since I discovered online poker for
myself. But, as soon as a local card club gets a PTEK table I'll be
there.




Chicago Joe

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I have been to Four Winds and played on the Pokertek machines. After spending
five hours on them I thought they were pretty good. It will be interesting to
see what issues come up not having a dealer.

On Aug 5 2007 1:52 PM, canopus wrote:

> Last Thursday the FourWinds Casino opened it's doors. Located near New
> Buffalo, Michigan.
> It's the second largest casino after MGM. I am talking about the casino
> part and not the Hotel.
> It has the latest technology that is matched by just one other casino,
> no name given.
> They have a poker room with about nine tables that is run automatically,
> no dealer. Almost like internet poker but here you can see your
> opponents. Each has a screen. You can see your cards only when you cover
> them with your had. There are practice tables to learn how to use the
> screen.
> The poker room is called WPT room. They will be running satellites to
> WPT final.
>
> --
> Fuzzy Math in World Series of Poker Statistics:
> http://www.LiveActionPoker.com
>
> read and reply to rec.gambling.poker:
> http://www.LiveActionPoker.com



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well said....


On Aug 6 2007 11:46 AM, BeaForoni wrote:

> On Aug 5, 1:51 pm, ruylopez <43087...@recpoker.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 5 2007 3:52 PM, Chris in Texas wrote:
> >
> > > JBK has said one of the Detroit area cardrooms (Greektown?) has 1
> > > dealer-less
> > > table, but it's pretty much shunned by the players unless the room is
> > > packed.
> > > Even if you get more hands per hour I'd rather go old-school if I'm gonna
> > > make
> > > the trip to a cardroom to play.
> >
> > > Chris
> >
> > Yes they have several of these at Greektown, I hope they didn't spend much
> > on
> > them because they are always empty unless MAYBE on Friday night the drunks
> > are
> > impatient and play on them while waiting for a real table. You have to get
> > a
> > card to play and put money into it ATM style - honestly I've never seen how
> > it
> > works in action. It seems to be hated by all.
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
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>
> Since all the comments are negative allow me to post some things
> positive about the PTEK poker tables.
>
> Poker has gone through an ongoing evolution. It used to be that draw
> and lowball were the only games offered at many card casinos. Now
> there are many different games spread, and I don't think we will ever
> go back.
>
> Poker used to be dealt by players. Dealers were introduced to speed
> up the game. The dealer also reduced mistakes and the opportunities
> for cheating.
>
> The dealerless tables provide the ability to further the evolution of
> poker. More games can be spread because the tables take up less room;
> one less seat and room for chips is eliminated.
>
> Now heads up games can be played with less regard for cost. The wages
> paid to a dealer was the limiting factor for this type of game. Also
> the reduced cost can also allow the spread of lower limit games.
>
> Cheating is also reduced. Card marking and card switching are
> eliminated. Some may say that with modern security systems that these
> forms of cheating is impossible, but I must point out that many small
> card rooms lack these very expensive safeguards. Even the most
> sophisticated systems have blind spots that cheater take advantage.
> Anyone remember the Commerce's terrace? Additionally dealers have been
> known to aid in cheating.
>
> The dealerless table will also allow player to learn on a much
> steeper learning curve. Many more hands per hour equals many more
> learning opportunities per hour. The increased speed of the action
> also reduces the boredom factor. I find that I have a problem throwing
> away a marginal hand knowing I won't see another hand for many
> minutes. If I opt to discard ten hands in a row, I have not played for
> an hour or so. My mind wanders and I am no longer in a poker frame of
> mind.
>
> Slot machines are computer generated. Long gone are mechanical
> wheels. Yet, has the play of slots decreased? Of course not. The
> advent of computer generated poker is the next logical advancement.
>
> Many of the naysayers of the dealerless tables are themselves
> dealers. They are panicking over their future lost of their lucrative
> jobs. But I say there are many more players than dealers and the
> elimination of tipping means more money in the players pocket.
> Besides, why should someone who deals cards make $50K or more
> annually? Not that I am against someone making a living wage, but
> their job is redundant, nonproductive and passe. What other job has
> not changed in hundreds of years? When someone says it will never
> catch on, I hear, " I'll never ride in one of those horseless
> carriages, if man was meant to fly he would have been born with wings,
> I'll never get rid of my slide rule."
>
> I have not been to a casino since I discovered online poker for
> myself. But, as soon as a local card club gets a PTEK table I'll be
> there.



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John_Brian_K

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We have had "No Dealer live poker" tables at Greektown and Motor City
casino for about 6 months. I believe OP was referring to the first
ALL electronic tables.




John_Brian_K

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The rake is less (at the local casinos anyway)

They have a seperate bad beat jackpot (last time I looked I think it
was around 6k)

They mainly only use them now for single table turbo tourneys or
2-4LHE

Motor City built a brand new poker room when they expanded and built
the hotel and the last time I was there they do not have the Poker Pro
Dealerless poker tables they did have 2. I am not sure what they did
with them or if they will ever put them back.

Greektown still has 2 sitting in the front corner of the room and they
are almost always empty. I have played on them a few times waiting on
another table and that is usually only on a weekend when they are
packed.




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